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Hello

We are currently broadcasting on FM and internet ( icecast) , When we attempt to talk , we pause the play list. Voice is fine through FM but there is no voice over the internet. Any ideas how to get voice onto the net broadcast?

Thanks


It sounds like your FM source is a mixer output but your streaming source is PlayIt Live main mix.


You need to feed your mixer back into the computer (which if it has a USB sound card built in may be easy) and select that post mixer source as your stream source.


Hello Jacques,


I had to have a bit of time to experiment.


I signed up for a free account with Caster FM and I can confirm it works with PlayIt Live.


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To avoid any potential copyright issues I used 1kHz tone as my source (not that it is relevant to whether the streaming works).


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I was allocated a different server port to you (I've doctored the image to hide this) and I had a short simple password.


The PlayIt Live streaming client connected (eventually) and I could hear my stream on the Caster FM player page (crop below).


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I wasn't very inspired when I had to write the minimum Caster FM needed in each box !


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The Caster FM dashboard for my "station".


At first I couldn't connect with PlayIt Live so I used Rocket Broadcaster (free edition). 


That has a very useful diagnosis tool for where streaming servers fail. Caster FM wasn't accepting a connection on my port and I think the server status might have gone offline. I refreshed the dashboard and made sure the server was online and then Rocket Broadcaster would connect.


I stopped Rocket and tried again with PlayIt Live, that then connected and would subsequently reliably connect.


My streaming computer isn't the one I was using to view the dashboard (which probably helps to see what is going on).


I don't think you need any remote assistance.


If you broadly follow what I've screen captured above (keeping a good eye on the Caster FM dashboard) I think you can make it work.

Sorry Mark he are some more details 

We are running an FM station with internet broadcasting ( Icecast)

The computer output ( headphone jack via Roccat USB )  is linked to the mixer ST1 input 

The mixer output to the computer ( mic jack via Roccat USB)

The mic is connected straight to the mixer.

The mixer main outs run to the processor then to FM transmitter.

Everything plays fine on FM, however when announcing live the mic does not transmit to the net broadcast and is dead air. 


I ran a USB cable from the mixer to the computer , but no other source other then Playit Live Mix , Roccat  or the computer speaker appeared in the source selection. If I select Roccat the sound is distorted and loud, if I select the computer speaker output there is nil.

Thanks

The other issue we are currently having is that the main playout is run from the on air studio with the "programming " in the studio two.  The systems are sometime in sinc displaying the same tracks etc  then other times they are not.  And if you place a voice track or track into the system in studio two , it displays fine  on the on air studio until it actually gets to the track/voice track then fails to load displaying track unable to be located.

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Hi Mark, looks like something is happening because I've entered the settings for the connection exactly as I have for the caster fm and playit live encoders. They still don't want to connect but this Rocket thing has connected. It only plays what it hears through the mic though. So now I'm thinking it is maybe Mysql that is the problem because I have it installed but it's not running and I don't know how to get it started.  One more question, How do I get the media player to show on my Caster.fm site. I don't have a player there. 

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I would actually love to get Playit live to connect because that is the player that I'd love to use for my station. 

A few comments Jacques.


The Caster FM player appears when the streamer is working.


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Above with the stream live.


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With the stream inactive.


It is also possible to stream PlayIt Live via Rocket Broadcaster. There are some advantages and some disadvantages to this approach.


Advantage:


You can bring a mixer in via the "microphone" input or PlayIt Live directly as "Other Applications".


Disadvantage:


It's two bits of software and somewhat complicated to understand what is going on.


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Once you have Rocket Broadcaster working, start PlayIt Live's stream. It won't connect.


If you then stop Rocket, I found that PlayIt Live would automatically connect.


I really can't see why PlayIt Live's streaming isn't working for you if Rocket does.


I have a relatively good connection to the Internet (although fairly typical by UK standards), it could be a ping or packet loss problem but somehow I doubt it.


I'm not particularly "local" in Internet terms to shanecast.caster.fm which seems to be 79ms away and based in the US.


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Hi Mark, Sorry the Caster fm pic is just to show which settings I used. I have downloaded Mixxx, but I have no idea how to set up the port forwarding or any other settings to get the two (playit live and Mixxx) to work together. I'm seriously handicapped when it comes to this kind of thing. It's like all french to me..lol

Addressing the first message.


Exactly what I would expect.


PlayIt Live Main Mix is exactly the feed that is sent to your mixer (hence it doesn't contain the microphone).


What you would want is "Roccat". However the "Roccat" seems to be a gaming USB adapter and expects "mic level" rather than the "line level" that your mixer would generate.


You say "If I select Roccat the sound is distorted and loud". That's because it expects mic level not line level input.


You might find that your computer is capable of taking line level in (some PC inputs can be selected between mic and line level), alternatively you might obtain a more suitable USB sound card. 


A budget example would be the Behringer UCA222 (switch the monitor off). 


There are arguably better examples but the Behringer seems OK with various versions of Windows and has Phono plugs.


Your second question is a bit more complex to answer.


PlayIt Live isn't intended to run in synchronism on two instances (on I assume two PCs).


It also isn't entirely designed to work in a sustaining feed (your on air studio) and production studio (your studio two) set up.


I guess the two PCs are networked in some way and the files are in a common area visible to both machines.


I've never tried PlayIt Live with such a set up but it is possible that playing a file on one  machine locks it for the other machine to access.


I suggest local copies of all files on the drive of each machine (you could use Sync Toy to keep them in step but be careful as it is possible to mess things up with Sync Toy !).


Depending on your workflow and production needs I could suggest various approaches to what you want to do.


If the on air studio is a basic (one presenter) studio and the studio two is intended to be used by multiple presenters and guests (so has more mics and seats) then taking studio two as an input to the on air studio mixer is a common approach.


If the on air studio doesn't have a mixer you can take a sound card input to air on PlayIt Live. That has the benefit of enforcing the schedule on the studio two output but requires production discipline to run to time.



Thanks Mark , we will give it a go.


Hello Jacques,


1) Have you tried putting " source " in the PlayIt Live Username box, making sure music is playing and you have selected PlayIt Live Main Mix as the Audio Source To Broadcast ?


2) If so and it still doesn't work, try connecting to CasterFM with Mixxx 


Caster FM has instructions for this at:


https://clients.caster.fm/knowledgebase/88/Broadcast-with-MIXXX.html


This should at least enable you to check your settings.


There is then no further use for Mixxx so uninstall it (if you wish).


You don't need port forwarding for any implementation of PlayIt Live I can think of.


Hopefully (1) will fix things. If not (2) should confirm that your credentials for Caster FM are correct.


It is possible that, for some reason, Caster FM doesn't like the PlayIt Live Streaming plug in.


If so I can suggest alternative approaches. Please report back after (1) and if needed (2) have been tried.


One other thing I should have added. Assuming you can find or get a line level computer input, if the processor for the FM feed has a spare stereo output (perhaps intended for monitoring) you could use that as a streaming source as that would be level controlled and sound the same as the FM output.
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