Thanks Simon.
By way of an update, the analog mixer/audio interface works but I cannot for love or money to work out the right settings with the virtual cable on the other laptop (the one where it is just USB mic and headphones into front of computer)
Very odd.
Well I've spent another few days, remotely configuring both users and still no dice, I can't even get it to record in Audacity from the virtual cable so there must be something I am missing along the line.
I'll start with the disclaimer that I've never used a "virtual cable" but I'm familiar with the concept.
I thin you need to set everything on PlayIt Live to play to whatever the virtual cable is called and then select the virtual cable as both PlayIt Live's streaming source and the input to Audacity.
As an alternative, if the computer as a Realtek built in sound card, have a read of this:
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/39532/how-to-enable-stereo-mix-in-windows-7-to-record-audio/
It's written for Windows 7 but works much the same for Windows 10
Also this is helpful if Audacity won't play nicely.
https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001194.htm
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Try this checklist:
1) Open Control Panel then Sound, with PlayIt Live producing output.
2) Click on the 'Recording' Tab. There should be movement in the 'LEDs' by the Virtual Cable. If there isn't, this is why you're not hearing anything. If there's no movement try setting it to 'Default Device'. But please before you do note the settings in case you need to put it back.
3) Click on the 'playback' tab. You should also have movement in the LEDs there as well.
4) You don't need Audacity, it over complicates things. Download and install the PlayIt recorder (it's free)
5) Open PlayIt recorder and choose 'Virtual Cable' as the source. You should then be able to record, and can automate recordings if you want.
That's how it works for me - but please make a note of your settings before changing, different systems may react differently.
Simon
Sorry amend 3) above to read:
3) Click on the 'playback' tab. You should also have movement in the Virtual Cable LEDs there as well.
Thank you! Will have a try in the morning again
Hi
Nope, still refusing to work. Tried the virtual cable solution - nothing. Tried setting the PlayIt Recorder to look at the USB Mixer - sound works off the players but when they pause or stop, so does the recording, same in Audacity. If I alter any playback device within PlayItLive, presenter can't hear as it is not going to the USB mixer so he can not hear and do links.
Final try was the PlayIt recorder try and capture the play it live mix (as everything is being done through hardware), from the PC to the mixer and back again - recorder doesn't even see it Play It Live mix as an option so I think I am stuck with him doing live shows with no recording being created unless there is something I am completely missing?
Well Kyle,
As far as the USB mixer is concerned, if a microphone can be heard on the USB mixer output I would expect that it could be recorded (on Audacity, PlayIt Recorder or anything else) if the recording software has the USB mixer selected as the recording source.
I'm less able to be certain about the Microphone Mix plugin.
I've never used it (or needed to).
The instructions:
https://docs.playitsoftware.com/MicrophoneMixPlugin/configuration.html
suggest you can select where to send the output of this plugin.
Assuming that the plugin output is set to "PlayIt Live Main Mix" then I would expect the microphone to stream with the players etc.
However it's not possible to send "PlayIt Live Main Mix" anywhere (as I understand it, "PlayIt Live Main Mix" only exists as a source tor the Internet Broadcast plug in) so that will be why you can't record it.
Hi Mark
I may have confused things a bit! I am not using the microphone plug in at all now. The chain is:
PlayItLive into USB Mixer (USB CODEC)
Presenter can hear music and instant carts (headphones plugged into mixer)
All outputs from PIL set to USB CODEC
XLR microphone added at that point in the Mixer
Entire mix then goes back via USB CODEC into PlayItLive for Broadcasting/Streaming using the plug in.
In Audacity (which has a number of settings which are confusing) or PlayItLive Recorder which is much simpler - I can see the meters in action and record, However, the minute one of the three players/decks is paused or stopped, the recording is also paused but resumes when the player is resumed or another track starts. It is really weird. The presenter WOULD be recorded but he would have to make sure he has no gaps/stops between tracks or as above, the recording would be paused.
I am sure there must be something simple I am doing wrong or a virtual cable setting I am missing - should EVEYTHING go to a virtual cable at the end of the chain, before going to the broadcast/streaming bit AND the recording software? Would sort the pause issue? Would the presenter be able to hear things still? In tests yesterday he seemed not to be able to.
I see some signs of an explanation Kyle.
It is something to do with the USB driver for the mixer.
My guess is that the mixer -> computer connection on the USB only works if the computer is sending data in the computer -> mixer direction.
If there is any kind of "exclusive" mode on the USB driver untick that.
What sort of mixer is it and what is the driver in use ?
One other thing to try.
Assuming the computer has some kind of "line in" 3.5mm jack, try an analogue connection from the mixer to the computer using that.
I'm 99% confident that will work fine.
Thanks Mark
It's a Behringer U-Control UCA222 USB Audio Interface. No exclusive mode. Oddly it works in every other set up and recording scenario I can think of or test. The sound FROM the mixer must be getting back and into the broadcast chain or I wouldn't hear anything. In one of my tests setting it all up to record, I could get the presenter/mic or music/no presenter. In terms of broadcasting it's not an issue - it does work in that sense. But for the past couple of weeks I have been recording on my PC at home as it goes out. However, I can't always guarantee I will be home to do that, plus it ties my PC up for two hours and also for the past two weeks I seem to have had sound issues so it hasn't recorded properly anyway (again, my side)
(if all that makes sense)
The driver in and out on the main Windows sound settings is the USB CODEC (i.e., the Behringer interface)
Just saw other comment - in terms of the line in/mic in socket on laptop, I am sure I took a master mix from Master MAIN XLR L/R out, into the PC using 3.5 cable and the sound wasn't that great. Perhaps I will have to live with it for him with me recording as long as my PC doesn't start acting weirdly again - it's annoying because any other time I could go to his house and sit there all day trying to fix it until it was right.
I am assuming if I try the chain (again)
PIL playback into Analog mixer (via USB interface)
Mic mixed in at that point
Whole thing put back into PC via 3.5mm cable line
Set PIL Broadcast to be the Window Sound Out and also send to the PIL Recorder but watch levels so it doesn't distort as it may not be working on line levels - is that right?
Or
Do everything as above but just use the connection from mixer to line in on PC purely for the recording purposes? It just seems a longer way to do it if I can just pick up the mix-as-broadcast and record that somehow, in something?
I found a Behringer USB interface and plugged it in to an old low specification Windows 10 (home) machine I have spare.
It installed using the "standard" Windows driver.
It offered an option to allow applications to take exclusive control which I deselected on both record and playback.
Although it shows as "microphone" it is a phono line input from the USB sound card.
I had to turn the "loop" switch off as it was working terribly until that was off. I also set the sample rate to 44.1kHz 16 bit (which might be something to do with your issues so do that).
This machine doesn't have PlayIt Live on it (or much else) but it replays sound OK from a browser (tested on headphones in the Behringer card) and records audio OK using the "Voice Recorder" application that comes with Windows so I think it would work with PlayIt Live/Recorder and/or Audacity.
To go any further with this I think screen shots of the sound settings will be needed.
I have to say, I'm extremely puzzled why streaming using the USB card works but recording doesn't. I would go for the first approach in your list if the quality of the PC line in is suspect. It may well be that the output of the mixer is a bit high for the PC input.
If the mixer has a "recording/booth" output or similar try that if it gives the whole mix and turn that down.
I've used this for similar problems with input level issues:
"Fostex PC-1eB Passive Volume Control for Desktop Speakers"
It's a bit pricy for what it is but actually "just the job" !
Gavin Richards
Hi - I'm using the internet broadcast and microphone push to talk plugins with PlayItLive.
The microphone settings have been a bit strange, but I have configured the microphone plugin to my USB microphone.
If I broadcast the playitlive mainmix to my audio stream, then you cannot hear the microphone.
The way round this is to select "headphones" as the playback in the microphone plugin, and then stream the "headphones" feed to the streaming server. This allows the microphone to be broadcast. But it feels a slightly sub-optimal way of doing things. It also means that any other noise omitted by the computer (a notification or other windows noise that gets picked up through the headphone feed) also gets broadcast into the stream.
Any advice much appreciated!